Hillary Glossop

In a brilliant post, Alex Massie invokes PG Wodehouse to explain male antipathy towards Hillary Clinton (while also taking a swipe at Mike Huckabee):

In my sourer moments I find myself persuaded that Bertie Wooster’s verdict on aunts also applies to politicians: “It is no use telling me that there are bad aunts and good aunts. At the core, they are all alike. Sooner or later, out pops the cloven hoof.” ...

Dipping into The Inimitable Jeeves last night, it struck me that, for a certain kind of chap, Hillary is the Honoria Glossop of the presidential campaign. It’s not just that Hillary’s now infamous “cackle” is dangerously reminiscent of Miss Glossop’s laugh “that sounded like a squadron of cavalry charging across a tin bridge.”

No, it’s more that Hillary too often gives the impression of sharing Honoria’s horrifying determination to mould a fellow. To wit, one can easily imagine Hillary addressing a chap, thus:

    “I think” she said “I shall be able to make something of you, Bertie. It is true yours has been a wasted life up to the present, but you are still young, and there is a lot of good in you...It simply wants bringing out.”

But what if you don’t want bringing out? Opting out ain’t an option with this sort of girl. And it gets worse. When Hillary isn’t being Honoria Glossop she’s reminding one of Florence Craye. Now it’s true that Bertie was briefly infatuated with Miss Craye. But that was until he engaged Jeeves and was persuaded that Miss Craye was a thoroughly unsuitable match (See Carry On, Jeeves for the details). As Bertie realised:

    “The root of the trouble was that she was one of those intellectual girls, steeped to the gills in serious purpose, who are unable to see a male soul without wanting to get behind it and shove.”

Some of us might prefer to remain un-shoved. Worse still, whenever a girl of Florence’s type engages one to stick one’s neck out for her - by, for instance, stealing a manuscript - she tries to persuade you that it’s really for your own advantage. She risks nothing, of course, whereas your allowance is endangered. But no, she will say:

    “I wonder you can’t appreciate the compliment I am paying you - trusting you like this”

Alas, I can just hear Hillary putting it like that. Can’t you?

Yes, I can. Well done.

Posted on Friday, December 28 2007 | Permalink

I will state, without reservation, that if asked by Senator Clinton to steal a policeman’s helmet, the answer will be the old nolle prosequi.

Posted by  on  12/30  at  11:56 PM

Didn’t the incoming White House kitchen staff in 2001 find that the silver cow creamer had gone missing?

Posted by Joshua Sharf  on  12/31  at  12:33 AM

Bill won’t look too good in Black Shorts, I’m thinking.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  12:41 AM

Is there a way of criticizing Hillary Clinton without making it a female issue?  I wouldn’t vote for her, except may be if she was running against Guilliani, but PG Wodehouse sounds misogynist to me, is that what you really mean to say?

Posted by  on  12/31  at  12:53 AM

Honoria Glossop had even more in common with Hillary, as evidenced by this conversation between Bertie and Jeeves after Bertie heard the shocking news that his friend Bingo was engaged to Honoria:

“JEEVES: If you will pardon my saying so, sir, Mr. Biffen has surely only himself to thank if he has entered upon matrimonial obligations which do not please him.

BERTIE:  You’re talking absolute rot, Jeeves. You know as well as I do that Honoria Glossop is an Act of God. You might as well blame a fellow for getting run over by a truck.”

Posted by  on  12/31  at  12:56 AM

Ann S,

Since Hillary has made it a female issue all along and she does have a lot in common with the Wodehouse harridans, I would hardly think it is misogynist of Wodehouse at all.  After all, he approves of the Aunt running the magazine and the women who are authors.  What he does not approve of is the nannying nagging “for their own good” attitudes.  That is a vastly different thing and Hillary is endemic of that kind of nagging.  After all she has already told us she is going to take more of our money for our own good whether we like it or not.  Do you approve of that kind of program?  Strikes me that we got rid of George III for a similar reason.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  01:05 AM

Wodehouse is no misogynist - he loves Aunt Dahlia who is authentic.  He just hates the “ghastly” girls, the ones who simper or insist that YOU change.

And it’s perfectly fair to talk about Hillary being a woman.  She does it enough.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  01:12 AM

Ann,

Your little post proves the point.  There is a reason the Drones club is homosocial:  men need a place somewhere on planet earth to escape the chatter of silly females. 

Let’s face it, if Hillary gave you a jewel box as an IOU-- you would open it to make sure the pearls were there.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  01:59 AM

Jeff,
I have no problem with men having a room of their own, I just don’t think it has to be the oval office. 

While, I’m not defending Hillary’s positions I don’t think it helps a person’s argument to call an opposing point of view a harridan, perhaps something more gender neutral?

Posted by  on  12/31  at  03:10 AM

Hillary reminds me more of Aunt Agatha than one of the legions of Bertie’s betrothed.
“Well, this Dahlia is my good and deserving aunt, not to be confused with Aunt Agatha, the one who kills rats with her teeth and devours her young, so when she says Don’t fail me, I don’t fail her. But, as I say, I was in no sense looking forward to the binge. The view I took of it was that the curse had come upon me.” Jeeves & the Feudal Spirit
Which pretty much sums up how I would feel about a Hillary presidency.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  09:48 AM

Ann S, you embarrass yourself in front of those who have read Wodehouse, I think.  If you are objecting to any evaluation including gender reference you will be numbered with the elect in PC discourse.  You will, however, be wrong.  There are irritating or evil males who are irritating or evil in a particularly masculine way, and failing to note this deprives us of real insights.  Males in such categories are usually designated by socially inappropriate anatomical names.

Thus also with females, however unpopular the idea may be.

Posted by Assistant Village Idiot  on  12/31  at  09:58 AM

And if you want a “strong woman” you could hardly do better than independent businesswoman Aunt Dahlia:
“If Aunt Dahlia has a fault, it is that she is inclined to talk to you when face to face in a small drawing-room as if she were addressing some crony a quarter of a mile away whom she had observed riding over hounds. For the rest, she is a large, jovial soul, built rather on the lines of Mae West and is beloved by all including the undersigned. Our relations have always been chummy to the last drop.”
Her newspaper may perpetually be on its last legs, but Aunt Dahlia in the White House would not be all bad.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  10:12 AM

Ann, I assure you that there are many nice, beautiful, dynamic, independent, and interesting young female persons in the Wodehouse oeuvre. (Also, a good chunk of them are American women, which is flattering to the likes of US.) Bertie doesn’t end up marrying any of them, but a good many of his friends do.

Wodehouse was not even vaguely a misogynist. He was a humorist. I guarantee you that his male characters are not spared any of his humor or snarky lines, and I am sure some cogent comparisons could be made to the male candidates, if more of them had detectable personalities.

I am shocked, however, that nobody in this thread compares Hillary to Aunt Agatha. Who else could be as scary?

Posted by  on  12/31  at  10:54 AM

I guess it bears repeating:
Hillary reminds me more of Aunt Agatha than one of the legions of Bertie’s betrothed.
“Well, this Dahlia is my good and deserving aunt, not to be confused with Aunt Agatha, the one who kills rats with her teeth and devours her young, so when she says Don’t fail me, I don’t fail her. But, as I say, I was in no sense looking forward to the binge. The view I took of it was that the curse had come upon me.” Jeeves & the Feudal Spirit
Which pretty much sums up how I would feel about a Hillary presidency.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  12:31 PM

Did you know that judge Roberts is a fan of P.G. Wodehouse? It is a good antidote to read a portion of Jeeves & Wooster after you have heard a statement by Hillary Clinton, e.g. her medical “prescription” to the Americans, i.e., socialized medicine.

Posted by Martin Lindeskog  on  12/31  at  12:54 PM

To those unfamiliar with The Master, there are in fact, as Maureen noted, numerous grounded, likable, intelligent, hard-charging, breath-takingly beautiful women, who are almost invariably in addition Women of Spirit. 
One need only refer to the limited cross-section represented by the Blandings novels.  Dolly Henderson (who appears only off-stage) and her daughter, Sue Brown, come immediately to mind, as does the gal who in Something Fresh enters into competition with Ashe Marsden to steal back a scarab from Lord Emsworth.  She’s been on her own a long time, ever since her father (a male) let her down by dying broke, and well knows the price of a square meal.  She still refuses Ashe’s pretentious chivalry in offering to steal the scarab for her and nonetheless split the proceeds.  Tells him that his chivalry is quite unwelcome, thankee, and compares it to her dog bringing in dead varmints in a spirit of duty, but then observes that if she could have accepted the dead rat (or whatever it was) from anyone, “[I]t would have been from you.” Misognynist?  Faugh!
And on the Justice Rob’ts note (Martin), it seems that recently in oral argument before the court some lawyer used the expression “footman”; Scalia observed (or pretended) that he had no idea what a footman was.  Much hilarity.  Roberts could have told him not only what a footman was, but also a second footman, as well as the boy who cleans the knives and boots, and, having doubtless read Something Fresh, he can also tell Scalia where the under-gardener eats and who goes in before which guest’s valet.

Posted by  on  12/31  at  04:13 PM

Definitely Hillary is Aunt Agatha.  Much, much more mean than Lady Constance Keeble.

Wodehouse wasn’t a misongynoist, he warred on pretension, and those who thought the coronets were worth more than a kind heart; hence his sympathy for the Sue Brown’s and Ronnie Fish’s of his stories.

Most of the men were chumps, most of the women weren’t.  You just needed a Jeeves, or an Uncle Fred, or an Hon. Galahad Threepwood to make things right; so that a guy could wed his gal, and the Earl could commune in peace with his pig.

Eulalie, Spode!  I know about Eulalie!

Posted by  on  01/01  at  03:38 PM
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